Thursday, February 02, 2006

Swedish moslems threaten boycot

After the paper of the Swedish immigration-sceptical party The Sweden Democrats decided to hold a competition for its readers over who could draw the best carricatures of Mohammed, the Swedish moslems have begun threatening to make the moslem countries boycot Sweden, too:

Mahmoud Aldebe, spokesman for Swedens moslem society, reacts harshly: - To portray our prophet is to offend our religion. I think freedom of speech is important, but that doesnt mean you can infringe other peoples freedom of religion, says Mahmoud Aldebe.

He has tried to have the Chancellor of Justice stop the publication (of the carricatures - Henrik)

If the Sweden-Democrats go through with publishing the carricatures, Aldebe says he will turn to the government.

If they cant protect us, we will seek the support of moslem countries and organisations. It will probably turn into a boycott like the one against Denmark.

Abd al Haqq Kielan, spokesman for the Swedish Islamic Society, doesnt threaten a boycott, but he looks with great seriousness on the publication of the carricatures of Mohammed.

In the Ku Klux Klan-like atmosphere that reigns in Denmark, it reminds of the propaganda in Nazi Germany. You cant act like this if you want to have good relations.

The good Mr Haqq Kielan is missing three key points:

1) KKK-like actions like the execution of those that "taint" the honor of their group seems to be done by moslems, not Danes.
2) The destruction of entire villages of non-believers (Taybeh in Palestine in September 2005, Sangla Hills in Pakistan in November 2005) is likewise somesthing moslems (and nazis), not Danes do.
3) While moslems (Arafats uncle, for example) supported and enabled Hitler and the Holocaust during WWII, the Danes saved their Jews. Indeed, not much seems to have changed: Hitler just got elected to the Palestinian parliament a week ago.

10 Comments:

Blogger Mike H. said...

I don't think that the muslims have any room to talk about the now defunct KKK. Unless it's to discuss techniques.

7:45 PM  
Blogger Jacob Mchangama said...

Slightly off-topic:

Your description of Danish activities during WWII is somewhat lacking. True we helped Jews escape Holocaust, but we also fed the German army and collaborated with the Nazis until August 1943, moreover more Danes died fighting for Hitler than died defending the country...

4:27 AM  
Blogger Henrik said...

Jacob: if I had wanted to write a dissertation on Denmark during WWII, I would have included that.

But OK, lets discuss this.

The things you talk about happened when Denmark was occupied by a quarter of a million German troops, under direct threat of "Polish conditions" (6 million killed).

Now tell me just how many nazis are occupying the current batch of moslems, forcing them to conduct pogroms and "honor" killings?

Finally, about your ""we" helped the jews escape": You are 26, so I dont really think you qualify to have taken part here. Me neither.

If you are talking descent, your dads native Comoros distinguished themselves by staying loyal to the pro-nazi Vichyites rather than joining deGaulle.

Any more history you want to share?

Henrik

10:00 AM  
Blogger Jacob Mchangama said...

Henrik:
you stated:

3) While moslems (Arafats uncle, for example) supported and enabled Hitler and the Holocaust during WWII, the Danes saved their Jews. Indeed.

Considering the fact that Danes fed the German army and collaborated with the Germans would you not say that your posting is somewhat misleading since you seem to, oppose the acts of Danes to that of muslims during that era without giving the full picture. The fact that Danes helped Jews escape (while an important and noble deed) can obviously not be seen in isolation from other events during that period.

I don't think it excuses the active collaboration of Denmark that Germany was occupying us militarily, other small Europeans offered much more resistance.

I fail to see what the Comoros have to do with this discussion?

2:52 AM  
Blogger Henrik said...

Jacob:

The article is about persecution and/or protection of religious minorities, and it being put off as nazi behavior.

Care to explain how selling foodstuffs has anything to do with that?

I understand that it is a normal tactic when you have a weak case to paint with as broad and black a brush as you can, drawing in stuff that has nothing to do with the case at hand.

But it just doesnt fly.

As to the Comoros, read what I wrote. Consider it part of the "full picture", for example in relation to your claim that "we" saved the jews.

Henrik

7:20 AM  
Blogger Henrik said...

Jacob:

The article is about persecution and/or protection of religious minorities, and it being put off as nazi behavior.

Care to explain how selling foodstuffs has anything to do with that?

I understand that it is a normal tactic when you have a weak case to paint with as broad and black a brush as you can, drawing in stuff that has nothing to do with the case at hand.

But it just doesnt fly.

As to the Comoros, read what I wrote. Consider it part of the "full picture", for example in relation to your claim that "we" saved the jews.

Henrik

7:21 AM  
Blogger Jacob Mchangama said...

Henrik: as usual your arguments make no sense what so ever: If you read what I wrote in the beginning of my post I started with the words: "slightly off topic".

I don't know which "case" it is you refer to. As for the Comoros, should we then understand your comment to the effect that my father hails from Africa makes me less Danish though I was born here, please explain. The fact is I pointed out an inaccuracy in your initial post which you through pathetic spin have tried to deflect from, rather than just admitting what everybody knows: Denmark's history duuring WWII was not defined by the rescue of the Jews alone, however nice that would be.

8:06 AM  
Blogger Henrik said...

Jacob:

What "inaccuracy" is it, that you pointed out? That I didnt include the trade in foodstuffs in a discussion of persecution vs. protection of religious minorities, and it being put off as nazi behavior?

I didnt talk about the tens of thousands of moslems that served in the three moslem divisions of the Waffen SS, or the moslem massacre of Jews in Iraq in 1941, either. Is that an "inaccuracy" also?

But OK, as a favor to you, lets complete the picture you are asking fore. Ill take care of the Danish part:

While Denmark was occupied by a quarter of a million German troops and was threatened with "Polish conditions" - 6 million killed - we were forced to sell foodstuffs to the Germans. We were forced to let 2.000 local nazis, malcontents and fortune hunters (25% Germans, not Danes, btw) go east to have themselves killed by the Soviets.

Those that fell for the Allies include 1850 sailors, 600 resistance fighters (the Danish raiway sabotage was "second to none" according to Montgomery) and 110 volunteers in the allied armed forces. Add the 40 or so that fell fighting in april 1940 before the Danish government folded.

Unless my math is off, that means more fell for the Allies than the Nazis - and that under nazi occupation. Among the Danes in Allied service was Anders Lassen, btw - the only foreigner to be awarded the Victoria Cross during WWII.

Apart from fighting, Denmark in WWII was also the only nazi-occupied country to hold democratic elections (in 1943, and including the anti-nazi party Danish gathering, and in local elections including communist front parties). Actually, I believe Denmark to be the only engaged country other than the (un-occupied) USA to hold elections at all.

A wee bit of political repression did take place, though: the top communists, who had cooperated with the nazis from 1939 (before the occupation) to 1941 were interned, and the nazis were beaten silly by the police when they tried pulling off a coup in 1940.

Include saving our jews and running relief efforts for Norway, helping to offset a threatening famine there. While Denmark itself was under a strict rationing scheme, of course.

Happy now?

Given that you are interested in "the full picture", can I now depend on you to outline how moslems behaved in the same period?

Henrik

3:37 PM  
Blogger Dene said...

Great debate, but Henrik (in his Nazi-like defamation of over 1 billion people in a single category) refuses to see:

1. There is a name we use for perpetrators of WWII crimes mentioned here, namely, "Nazi". We don't say Christians or Germans massacred Jews, we say Hitler did or Nazis did. Please note that millions of Nazis are a damn good sample size for generalization....

2. Same with KKK. Though "defunct", if you ask any of them, they consider themselves the only true believers and followers of Jesus Christ. Again nobody says Christians lynched blacks.

So let me say, in support of Jacob's point of view, nothing is more appalling than half-truths conveniently used to chocolate-coat extreme racism.

Dene

2:32 PM  
Blogger Johan Olofsson said...

Just great off-topic discussion indeed. While we are talking about all these "Traitors" and "Nazi's" I would like to make my contribution to it.

First. It doesen't matter who helped the Germans the most, the point is they did. Just because you helped them more or less, doesen't make you more or less "Traitor" or "Nazi". As far as I know Denmark was forced to help Germany, just like Sweden.

Sweden Collaborated with Nazi Germany too in many ways. We sold them Iron ore for more weapons and ammo. We Indeed gave them Passage trough our country. Normally I would say that we did it because Sweden was in no position to refuse or we would have been crushed just like Norway. But i will not because then I would be looked at as a Nazi to, and that is the big problem they caused (Nazi Germany), You can't love your country without being a Nazi or a Racist.

And if you think Denmark Collaborated with the Germans, have a look at The Neatherlands for example with their "NSB" party (Nationaal Socialistische Beweging(Nederland)) Before you complain.

1:18 AM  

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